DevOps in 2019 – success or failure?

Viktor Farcic: But would you say that DevOps in 2019 is a success story? Can I go to a company, and say: "Look, a lot of people are on board, and they saw success, and as a result, they're doing great. It's only you who's missing the train." Or, have we just seen the start of the transformation, and we're yet to see real adoption?

Gregory Bledsoe: In most cases, the adoption is superficial. It's trying to slap a process example on top of a pathological culture because cultures are built accidentally. Almost no one intentionally builds the culture they want, with a goal in mind. It's an accretion of reactions to events. That's how cultures normally accrue. To consciously deconstruct and reconstruct that is hard, which is a big part of what a true transformation is. There's a tiny minority of people who are intentionally trying to do that. That's got to be the next way that will unlock...