Looking into the future

Viktor Farcic: If you had a crystal ball, where would you predict we're going to be in the next year, next decade, or even further out? Obviously, now the leading-edge tech is containers, but what's coming after?

Bret Fisher: I think it's going to take us a long time before orchestration is normal.

Viktor Farcic: I mean, with that, we're just starting.

Bret Fisher: It's a lot harder now than it's going to be, and it has to get a lot easier before most people are going to use it. I'm really a fan of the whole one container per VM concept, such as Clear Containers with Linux. VMware is doing a little bit of it, Microsoft's doing it, and Docker's doing it with the LinuxKit. I don't necessarily know if we're going to end up with a world where it's a lot of just one container per VM or if it's going to be this world of mini containers in a VM. But I think locked-down apps, whatever the future...