Skipping a generation – a good or bad idea?

Bret Fisher: Exactly, so you'll have companies that skip a generation. For example, company X might now be doing virtualization. They didn't really do cloud, so they skipped it, but now they're going to do containers instead of just virtualization in the cloud.

Viktor Farcic: But can you do that? Is jumping a generation a good idea?

Bret Fisher: Not without your pain increasing. The pain increases because you're part of a team, and organizational learning means that we've both got to know that you're never a silo of knowledge. The entire team has to learn together and so, even if you were to hire a container expert, in a good-sized organization, it's going to take them years to get the entire team up to speed on all of that tech.

If the companies aren't doing cloud yet and you're going to take them to the cloud, but now they're also going to do containers too, that&apos...